tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post7784286471138712840..comments2023-10-16T13:06:42.360+01:00Comments on Happiness of Being: The Teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi: Concern about fate and free will arises only when our mind is turned away from ourselfMichael Jameshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03460943269122289281noreply@blogger.comBlogger105125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-77984668748823527852018-02-24T14:56:05.792+00:002018-02-24T14:56:05.792+00:00Dear Micheal Sir,
What should be our approach to t...Dear Micheal Sir,<br />What should be our approach to the following i.e things that we need to necessarily do on a particular day as part of our mandatory activity and what should be our approach towards some things, that we need to mandatorily do over a certain period of time.<br />Since what is done is precluded by a thought or a series of thoughts , will such thoughts come to our mind without apparent conscious thinking ?<br />Further is there any difference in how such thoughts will materialize in one practicing self enquiry and one who is apparently led by the ego mind.<br />Regards,<br />Anand.Anandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09908974925813890461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-27369800285897387582017-07-04T11:17:16.374+01:002017-07-04T11:17:16.374+01:00section 5.,
"...until we see the one reality ...section 5.,<br />"...until we see the one reality that underlies its false appearance, namely the pure self-awareness that we always actually are."<br />In my dense ignorance I must believe nearly all what I hear. But even in my limited view it appears grotesquely: why should the one reality (have no other business than to) serve as support of the ego's false appearance ?<br />nanavu-tuyilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-3622269420657038992017-06-29T00:42:46.984+01:002017-06-29T00:42:46.984+01:00Ravi, actually my suggestion was nonsense and a li...Ravi, actually my suggestion was nonsense and a little test (how presumptuous of me ;-) to see how much you have grasped of Bhagavan's teachings. Because you cannot stop parading around and stop giving unsolicited advice or whatever. Because if it happens or not, it was Divine Will or praradhba karma.<br /><br />So to try to improve the “jiva” is an illusion, what has to happen is not to identify with these actions of the seeming jiva/individual. And that means atma-vichara, there is no way around it and if someone cannot do it some other sadhana which helps to stop identifying with the mind/body.<br /><br />And that's why giving spiritual advice as an ajnani is delusional because it assumes other objects which need advice. Nice way to stay in samsara.<br /><br />Sorry man, but even that comment here was already predetermined, even before the day we were born.Purification of mind does NOT reflect on one’s outward behavior, a purified mind is no mind and any perceived behavior is illusionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03403745904820287115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-38097396126614876042017-06-28T22:56:51.774+01:002017-06-28T22:56:51.774+01:00Salazar,
Nice advice and I take it.
NamaskarSalazar,<br />Nice advice and I take it.<br />NamaskarRavihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14875076137584328729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-4463214826412847162017-06-28T22:27:15.169+01:002017-06-28T22:27:15.169+01:00Ravi, sigh, whatever makes you happy.
You must b...Ravi, sigh, whatever makes you happy. <br /><br />You must be an enlightened master since you know the thickness of my ego. I wish you'd be as clear about your own.<br /><br />"It is certainly not my job to advise you?" Huh? After having giving me several unsolicited advises you now come to that conclusion? It will be only a matter of time before you'll again give someone unsolicited advice, that's where your ego is thriving on. That is pretty obvious and I am not an enlightened master, just a guy who is thrilled to be a devotee of Bhagavan.<br /><br />I don't give [spiritual] advice unless somebody asks me and even then I don't feel that I am qualified to do so. <br /><br />So let me return the favor and give you a suggestion, why don't you stop parading around on spiritual blogs and dispense your unsolicited advice and instead learn why that is a huge impediment to enlightenment?<br /><br />You know, you ought to learn the basics first, because all what you do is throwing rocks sitting in a glass house.. .https://www.blogger.com/profile/03243347924405863536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-73245107358754941872017-06-28T21:27:55.945+01:002017-06-28T21:27:55.945+01:00Salazar,
I knew that what i have stated will not p...Salazar,<br />I knew that what i have stated will not pierce the thick wall of ego that you have built around yourself...anyway it certainly is not my job to advise you.<br />What I have posted for the few others have been received by them.<br />Namaskar<br />Ravihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14875076137584328729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-47141083440428335292017-06-28T18:40:37.186+01:002017-06-28T18:40:37.186+01:00Ravi, what you describe about “summa iru” is for p...Ravi, what you describe about “summa iru” is for people at the end of their journey and they have had done vichara for many life-times. At least that is what Bhagavan shared about people who were “ripe” for mukti. By the way, summa iru is nothing else than the description that the mind has have moved to the heart. So one could say it is the culminating “result” of vichara.<br /><br />And yes I am assuming too, but what has that do to with my last comment? Last time I checked we are all sitting in the same boat, however there seem to be “Ravis” who keep giving unsolicited advice to those they perceive that they would be in the need of it. How arrogant is that? Urubamba may very well be close to mukti and Ravi has another 100 life times to go………..<br /><br />And re. humility – LOL …… I can give you that right back! It is always funny when an ego is judging someone else’s humility. It’s the kettle talking to the pot ;-)<br /><br />About Arunachala, I did not boast anything; you must be Indian since you seem to take my comment about Arunachala personally. To refresh your memory: What I said is that I don’t have any attraction or relation to that mountain. When Bhagavan said that it is Siva, Self or whatever I believe him because I have faith in him.<br /><br />Bhagavan sees that mountain as Self but I don’t. And not because I am arrogantly dismissing it, I sincerely cannot find in my heart any attraction to it. So why would I pretend something else? What some “devotees” of Bhagavan very well may do.<br /><br />And I don’t feel that I am missing something with that and Bhagavan would never ever insist that I would or come up with these confused assumptions of yours.<br /><br />And for pete’s sake, stop giving unsolicited advice you clown. <br /><br /><br />. .https://www.blogger.com/profile/03243347924405863536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-59771168956056843042017-06-28T17:56:01.200+01:002017-06-28T17:56:01.200+01:00Salazar,
If Bhagavan or any guru says 'Summa i...Salazar,<br />If Bhagavan or any guru says 'Summa iru' and if you have perfect shraddha,you will just be that from that moment...No other thing is needed...this is what happened to tinnai swami.<br />Bhagavan's unceasing teaching is this silence...it is only for those who are not receptive and do not have the maturity to benefit from it, that all other means to arrive at it are suggested.<br />What I have posted for urubamba is for him to understand...if you think it is flattery,it is your problem.(you did not say so...but it tantamounts to this).<br />By the same token you are assuming who i am based on what i am posting...how about the assumptions that I am fake,ignorant,etc,etc?<br />I do not wish to hurt you...but I am sure that humility would help your sadhana and i do not find that in you...which explains why your seed sown 40 years back has not sprouted,grown and yielded fruit...this despite your doing vichara.<br />How is your boasting that you do not care for Arunachala?..and how do you think that it goes with your claim that you are a devotee of Bhagavan and that he is your guru?<br />Please learn to see the spark of light in others and that would help you.<br /><br />NamaskarRavihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14875076137584328729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-43627005519555543732017-06-28T16:14:19.946+01:002017-06-28T16:14:19.946+01:00Ravi, you said to Urumbamba: "I am happy for ...Ravi, you said to Urumbamba: "I am happy for you that you have this 'Shraddha'(Faith+Earnestness) and this is Guru's grace...Eventually it is this that counts...not whether one does Vichara or nama Japa or any other."<br /><br />Firstly, you cannot know that Urumbamba (or anybody else) has faith/earnestness, it can only be an assumption. And that assumption is an imagination of the mind and therefore preventing Self-realization. <br /><br />What does it matter how much shraddha you possibly have if you are still caught up with the imaginations of your mind as witnessed with every comment you make? <br /><br />And secondly, to minimize Vichara as you do is simply ignorance. You keep doing that, what is your problem? According to Bhagavan everybody at the end has to come to vichara what is nothing else than the mind moving back to the heart. If that is not done (in conjunction with grace) you'll stay in samsara. <br /><br />You cannot single out shraddha or vichara, BOTH are absolutely necessary. Unless you want to reform Bhagavan's teachings, it seems your mind is already doing it.. .https://www.blogger.com/profile/03243347924405863536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-30894464426079156242017-06-28T13:39:18.406+01:002017-06-28T13:39:18.406+01:00Urubamba,
Sharing a post which has the same theme ...Urubamba,<br />Sharing a post which has the same theme as the above post...have copied it from something i had posted elsewhere a couple of years ago...this from TevAram by Saint Appar...Do we recall how in Madurai,Bhagavan used to stand before the statues of the 63 saints and pray that he be blessed with devotion like them?...Appar is one among the foremost saints in the periyapuranam canon:<br /><br />"The Great Saint appar swami(also called Tiru nAvukku arasar-literally meaning the emperor of 'the Holy Tongue'-meaning one whose words are perennially inspirational) in his tevAram delineates the path of self surrender in a beautiful and telling fashion:<br /><br />முன்னம் அவனுடைய நாமங் கேட்டாள் <br /> மூர்த்தி யவனிருக்கும் வண்ணங் கேட்டாள் <br />பின்னை அவனுடைய ஆரூர் கேட்டாள் <br /> பெயர்த்து மவனுக்கே பிச்சி யானாள் <br />அன்னையையும் அத்தனையும் அன்றே நீத்தாள் <br /> அகன்றாள் அகலிடத்தார் ஆசா ரத்தை <br />தன்னை மறந்தாள்தன் நாமங் கெட்டாள் <br /> தலைப்பட்டாள் நங்கை தலைவன் றாளே. (Tirumarai 6,Chapter 25,Verse 7)<br /><br />munnam avanuDaiya nAmam kETTAL <br /> mUrththi avanirukkum vaNNam kETTAL <br />pinnai avanuDaiya ArUr kETTAL <br /> peyarththum avanukkE picciyAnAL <br />annaiyaiyum aththanaiyum anRE nIttAL <br /> aganRAL agaliDaththAr AcAraththaith <br />thannai maRandhAL than nAmam keTTAL <br /> thalaippaTTAL nangai thalaivan thALE<br /><br />Earlier she heard His name. <br />She heard about His being. <br />Later she heard of His ArUr (abode) <br />(Realizing) her isolation, she became mad for Him. <br />She gave up mother and father that day itself. <br />Left the manners of the world. <br />Forgot herself, forgot her name too ! <br />The lady headed only to the Feet of the Lord !<br /><br />This is what happened to Sri Bhagavan when he heard of 'Arunachalam' from that relative of his.Wonderingly,he asked that relative-'Where is it?' in .There was the 'Bhava'-that there is an immensity of supreme goodness and Bliss,very dear to oneself-and this was echoing in his heart even before he heard it from that relative.This 'Bhava' is unlike other thoughts-and in fact serves to push out all other thoughts and itself too.This is what appar swami means when he says-'She gave up mother and father,Left the manners of the world,Forgot herself,forgot her Name too!'-meaning that that the ego was relinquished in perfect surrender or saranagathi(The Lady headed only to the feet of the Lord).<br /><br />This is how a seemingly 'small beginning'('Earlier she heard His Name') gathers momentum and takes one back home(Aham) to God or Self."<br />The Word 'Aham' is used in popular sense to mean Home..People ,especially the Brahmins in Tamil nadu use this word 'aham' for home even today.<br /><br />NamaskarRavihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14875076137584328729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-71310372132993350552017-06-28T12:53:20.895+01:002017-06-28T12:53:20.895+01:00Urubamba,
"This is what Bhagavan affirms in t...Urubamba,<br />"This is what Bhagavan affirms in the very first verse of Akshara mana malai :You root out the ego of one who Thinks 'Arunachalam' in the heart,O Arunachala."<br />That has as a precondition/prerequisite that one knows one's heart."<br /><br />The words that figure in this verse are expressive if we can appreciate the original...Bhagavan says அகமே நினைப்பவர்-ahame ninaippavar-meaning those who THINK 'Arunachalam' from the core of their being ;he does not say அகமே உணர்பவர் Ahame unarbhavar-which would mean experiencing arunachalam as the core of their Being or the Self...it is only then one may say that one knows the Heart and not before for the Heart is the Self.<br /><br />அகமே நினைத்தல் (ahame Ninaiththal) is a sort of prescience...like the scent of the master which a dog knows...it has not yet found the master but has a whiff of it...and following this trail reaches the master...the very word 'Arunachalam' is such a scent following which the devotee attains knowledge of the Self or Brahman...This is what happened in Bhagavan's case...as a boy the word 'arunachalam' was echoing in his heart...he had a sort of prescience that it meant something Grand and sublime...something that is not of this world...and it was only when on hearing it from the lips of one of his relatives that Arunachala is Tiruvannamalai(that person had just arrived from that place) that Bhagavan knew that there is indeed such a place on earth...but he still did not know what 'Arunachala' truly meant...only after the Death experience and he left home and reached Tiruvannamalai and beheld the Hill standing Grand and immobile right before his eyes(by now he knew what 'Heart' is)...he could grasp the true significance of Arunachala...a significance that many many others had also expressed before him...that the mere thinking of Arunachala would grant mukti...'Smaranath Arunachala' goes the adage by which it was already renowned for...so all seekers who are earnest and are called have undoubtedly this 'Prescience'...they 'almost' know it and yet know not!...for such fortunate ones,the mere thinking (dwelling) on 'arunachalam' would lead them to the core of their being...The word and what it signifies acts like a magnet and pulls the devotee to be absorbed in the Heart.<br /><br />In Arunachala Ashtakam verse 1 Sri Bhagavan refers to all the above.<br /><br />The word may be 'Arunachalam' for some ...The word may be 'Ram' for some ...it may be any 'word' but as long as the unmistakeable prescience associated with that word is there,the rest happens...This is how nama japa also works...it is like how one can follow links of the chain and arrive at the tether-the Heart or the Self...these are not matters for discussion but have to be verified by practice alone...and the power of Shraddha is what is at play in all this.<br /><br />NamaskarRavihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14875076137584328729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-20645872832916398212017-06-28T11:26:52.674+01:002017-06-28T11:26:52.674+01:00Ravi,
thank you for scattering flowers.
Western ph...Ravi,<br />thank you for scattering flowers.<br />Western philosophy has also good sides. But as you say the Indian sages could in addition put the reliability of their discoveries to the test by immediate empirical experience.<br /><br />"This is what Bhagavan affirms in the very first verse of Akshara mana malai :You root out the ego of one who Thinks 'Arunachalam' in the heart,O Arunachala."<br />That has as a precondition/prerequisite that one knows one's heart.<br /><br />All the best to you too.<br />Namaskar.Urubambanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-6924245968905795632017-06-28T00:50:09.759+01:002017-06-28T00:50:09.759+01:00Urubamba,
"As is well known that Indian phil...Urubamba,<br /><br />"As is well known that Indian philosophy already from time immemorial has focussed its eyes on the innermost depths of human questioning. Therefore its systematic terms do not go short of greatest possible far-sighted meaningfulness. So we can trust that what actually exists is only atma-svarupa, the one infinite whole, which is said to be ONESELF."<br /><br />Wonderful and hitting the Bull's eye...You have summed up everything here...The word 'philosophy' is actually called 'Tatva' meaning the essence....the Rishis or seers discovered the Tatva or the very essence of existence directly...and whatever intellectual structure they built around this to make it meaningful and approachable to others is only secondary...Like Atma jnana is common to all the three systems of Vedanta ,i.e Dvaita ,visishtadvaita and advaita....the fundamental experience is the common to all these systems but the presentation is different in terms of the intellect(I know that this would immediately spark a controversy but it is clear to me).<br /><br />So,the so called Indian philosophy is not speculative as the western ones are but is experiential and the very words that the rishis deployed were mantras that inherently carry the power of suggestion and bestowing the experience to the initiated listener.<br /><br />Brahman is one such word...and has associated with it the following attributes(although Brahman is beyond attributes)that closely point out Brahman...It is 'Satyam jnanam anantam Brahma'....meaning that which is 'Existence,Knowledge and Infinite'...The Very 'word' 'Brahman' carries the power of suggestion to the initiated ...The suggestion of something Infinite ,vast without our trying to imagine such a thing...so when a sage(and not just a thinker) is pointing out to the seeker:"You are not this finite limited being that you think yourself to be...You are Brahman",the message goes home to the listener who does it with Shraddha...so this is how it is a potent way of freeing oneself.<br /><br />This is what Bhagavan affirms in the very first verse of Akshara mana malai :You root out the ego of one who Thinks 'Arunachalam' in the heart,O Arunachala.<br /><br />If the thought 'I am the Body' is the cause of Bondage there is no reason that a counter thought cannot lead to freedom...Logically this is the correct position...If we have hynotized ourself into thinking that we are the limited being dwelling in this body,we can dehynotize ourself out of this...and this is done by negation of what we are not and affirming who we truly are.<br /><br />Now the objection would be raised ...that Bhagavan has said in Ulladhu narpadhu that this is only an supplementary aid and eventually it is only self enquiry that would help dissolve the ego...so,how then we can justify that the Neti Neti approach would give a similiar outcome?<br /><br />The simple answer to the above question is that the very same Bhagavan is on record saying that mere chanting of Ribhu Gita would bestow Samadhi!...and Ribhu Gita is just full of these negations and affirmations...Sri Annamalai Swami used to chant select verses from this and I have the recordings...I also have letters from Swami and in each and every letter there is this refrain :Thinking 'Body am I' is the root of all problems.Affirm 'I am not the Body;I am not the thoughts;I am The Atman'Atman is everything(Ellaam in Tamizh)'...He asked me to write this one hundred times and I wrote one letter filled with repetition of this ...and he expressed immense happiness that the stuff has 'Caught on'...I have these letters.<br /><br />The power that works is the power of Shraddha...and this is not conceptual thinking as it is wrongly projected...and it is potent and this has been the direct experience of many many sages over centuries.<br /><br />I am happy for you that you have this 'Shraddha'(Faith+Earnestness) and this is Guru's grace...Eventually it is this that counts...not whether one does Vichara or nama Japa or any other.<br /><br />Wishing you the very Best.<br /><br />NamaskarRavihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14875076137584328729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-45267227858503500482017-06-27T22:14:00.037+01:002017-06-27T22:14:00.037+01:00Salazar,
no matter. One who distributes criticism ...Salazar,<br />no matter. One who distributes criticism must also be open to it and take/swallow it.<br />Namaskar. Arunachala.Urubambanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-65701195100536595982017-06-27T22:00:59.201+01:002017-06-27T22:00:59.201+01:00daisilui,
'merging with the heart' means t...daisilui,<br />'merging with the heart' means that the 'I'-thought - as the primary source of the ego - should subside in its birthplace (place of its seeming origin) from where it seemingly originates. <br />According Michael James 'Heart' is our essential being or our truly existing reality. 'Heart' is that what we really are, our own very essence, substance or reality.<br />'Heart' is the innermost core of our being, our own essential reality. In other words "being as we really are" is the only means by which we can experience the absolute reality as it is. Therefore we ourself are the goal that we seek. Our goal is to experience our thought-free self-conscious being.Urubambanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-4206636936558812182017-06-27T21:49:49.793+01:002017-06-27T21:49:49.793+01:00Urubamba, I apologize if I have offended you with ...Urubamba, I apologize if I have offended you with the “blablabla” comment. It was not a judgment about the quality or meaningfulness of your comment. It was used to make a point and that had nothing to do with you at all.<br /><br />In the same spirit I didn’t intend to put you down because you possibly wouldn’t grasp something. What does it matter what the mind grasps?<br /><br />I don’t believe that eloquence and vast conceptual knowledge is a sign of spiritual maturity, it could be more an opportunity for the ego to inflate itself. <br /><br />Namaskar<br />. .https://www.blogger.com/profile/03243347924405863536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-21909504692864959332017-06-27T20:31:01.373+01:002017-06-27T20:31:01.373+01:00Salazar,
many thanks for having shared your well-m...Salazar,<br />many thanks for having shared your well-meant revelations with persons who are lacking in understanding and instead have only talent to convey blabulabupalabap and cannot grasp even the clearest messages.<br />As it is said:"You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him drink."<br />So I pray to God that insight in my mind's attachments may happen to me soon.<br />Bye-bye for now. <br />Urubambanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-78422065557911351702017-06-27T19:45:13.794+01:002017-06-27T19:45:13.794+01:00daisilui, yes, one can get lost with the “process”...daisilui, yes, one can get lost with the “process” and spend a life time processing without ever arriving. That is true for all subject-object related sadhanas, so pretty much everything but Self-Inquiry.<br /><br />How do we know that we are not similarly lost with Self-Inquiry? Because properly done one has already arrived and one is continuing the practice to firmly get established into Self. As long as we perceive a subject-object relationship Self-Inquiry is necessary otherwise we may fall under the same spell some of the so-called Neo-Advaitans have succumbed to. <br /><br />There are contradictory statements by the sages, on one hand they say one full experience of the Self is enough to be realized. Others say that even after an experience of Self vasanas can one pull back into samsara again and only a Jnani can confirm if one is really done.<br /><br />But I don’t worry about that; I have faith that things will unfold according to the will of Bhagavan.<br /><br />. .https://www.blogger.com/profile/03243347924405863536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-39480608378045882662017-06-27T18:49:10.153+01:002017-06-27T18:49:10.153+01:00Salazar
initially i was going the same way you did...Salazar<br />initially i was going the same way you did, i.e. 'Actually, it exactly does that - it wallows in the hell of imagination' but then it occurred to me that i only can do that if i accept that there is such a thing as 'mind', which is not the case in the absolute reality. <br />i try to not lose sight of the highest truth when engaging in these tricky discussions that very often loose track and make too many concessions to the unreal... Point in case- the use of self inquiry that you mention of- does the Self need to investigate its source?! Now, getting back to concession, assuming there is an ego which seeks a way out of misery, yes, the mind is the thorn needed to remove itself and then be discarded. i don't know if it's only me or anybody else noticed how some people on this blog [and elsewhere, discussing Reality] fall in love with the analysis of the thorns and the process of removal, forgetting that they should be discarded after they did their job. Some get stuck here for a lifetime without seeing anything wrong with that, on the contrary, believing they are 'on the path' to achieving something great [enlightenment, realization, awakening... whatever] forgetting/ignoring/not being able to understand that any so called 'human achievements' have nothing to do with being the SelfDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03098205640361255053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-4322528288760334472017-06-27T17:59:58.121+01:002017-06-27T17:59:58.121+01:00Before any misunderstandings arise, "Self is ...Before any misunderstandings arise, "Self is the default, it doesn't need a mind to look for it [through attempts to comprehend or analyze)."<br /><br />The mind can briefly be of assistance with Self-Inquiry when one uses it to ask "who is trying to understand Jnana", answer "I am" and then "who or where is that I?" to point the wandering mind back to the first person. But that is just a crutch, after that there should be no "trying" or any other subject-object relationship but to "be" [quiet]. . .https://www.blogger.com/profile/03243347924405863536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-79119022480999657482017-06-27T16:28:33.579+01:002017-06-27T16:28:33.579+01:00daisilui, Urubamba said that mind is not a bad boy...daisilui, Urubamba said that mind is not a bad boy who sends us to hell.<br /><br />Actually, it exactly does that - it wallows in the hell of imagination and if the mind gives that any reality it becomes seemingly reality. And imagination leads inevitably to suffering.<br /><br />Or even simpler, with mind (and believing it) there is suffering. Without mind (or ignoring it) there is peace.<br /><br />Now to make the mind an enemy is as much wallowing in imagination as the scorching fire of Jnana. Without the activity of the mind it cannot become a "bad boy".<br /><br />We don't have to accumulate the concept of "scorching fire of Jnana" or anything else, we just have to BE.<br /><br />Self is the default, it doesn't need a mind to look for it.. .https://www.blogger.com/profile/03243347924405863536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-14169684708013483122017-06-27T15:17:55.248+01:002017-06-27T15:17:55.248+01:00Urubamba
"again, mind is not a bad boy who se...Urubamba<br />"again, mind is not a bad boy who sends us to the hell.<br />Let it do his function to lead us to the ego's source and merge with the heart"<br /><br />When looking at things from the perspective of the absolute reality [the only reality] is better to be keep the mind out of it. At a relative level, sure we can go back and forth discussing aspects of the mind, how it operates, tools it uses, great discoveries of the mind [such as Indian philosophy...], and so forth. There was a time i was keenly interested in all this; not any longer- why? Because after 'threading water' for so long i figured out/realized that mind is not my friend as it got me nowhere, i.e. i don't know about you but mind here did not do anything for Being. The apparent show of color and sound, taste and touch and smell does not do it any longer- i find it repetitive and therefore boring, together with the i that finds it so... So i let it do its apparent function [sorry, i've always had a hard time understanding poetic language such as 'merging with the heart'] without giving it more importance than it deserves...Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03098205640361255053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-61329481799909205632017-06-27T14:48:26.561+01:002017-06-27T14:48:26.561+01:00Urubamba, you said "[...] again shows a nice ...Urubamba, you said "[...] again shows a nice example for a concept, an idea or imagination of the mind. Does not such an argumentation turn round in a circle ?"<br /><br />Yes it does. But then you can include your last two comments and all the others before too. <br /><br />You said "Besides, brahman is just an other word for the guru's grace. So brahman itself will lead us/our ego sooner or later back to itself i.e. ourself by dissolving us in the storching fire-heat of jnana." ....and.....<br /><br />"Therefore its systematic terms do not go short of greatest possible far-sighted meaningfulness. So we can trust that what actually exists is only atma-svarupa, the one infinite whole, which is said to be ONESELF."<br /><br />I do not want to be disrespectful but when I apply the spirit of your last comment to me one can replace those two paragraphs with "blablabla" and in terms of Self there is no difference.<br /><br />"Storching fire of Jnana" - wow, now with that idea/imagination, enlightenment must be just around the corner. ;-)<br /><br />Urubamba, don't you see the attachment of your mind to certain concepts in your last two comments alone? But enough! If you have not grasped by now what I want to convey no further comments will do a difference.<br /><br />Maybe daisilui can be more convincing than me ;-)<br /><br /> <br />Purification of mind does NOT reflect on one’s outward behavior, a purified mind is no mind and any perceived behavior is illusionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03403745904820287115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-33515728994489344372017-06-27T11:08:15.941+01:002017-06-27T11:08:15.941+01:00daisilui,
again, mind is not a bad boy who sends u...daisilui,<br />again, mind is not a bad boy who sends us to the hell.<br />Let it do his function to lead us to the ego's source and merge with the heart.<br />Philosophical concepts were put forward mainly or even only for the purpose of lighting the way home for us doubters who braise in biting ignorance.<br />As is well known that Indian philosophy already from time immemorial has focussed its eyes on the innermost depths of human questioning. Therefore its systematic terms do not go short of greatest possible far-sighted meaningfulness. So we can trust that what actually exists is only atma-svarupa, the one infinite whole, which is said to be ONESELF. Urubambanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-72322283912504947812017-06-27T10:01:28.710+01:002017-06-27T10:01:28.710+01:00Salazar,
you say "With Self-Inquiry eventuall...Salazar,<br />you say "With Self-Inquiry eventually one will realize that anything perceived is a concept, an idea or imagination of the mind. And giving that any importance is leading us away from that what we really are."<br />Because we are nothing other than brahman it should not astonish us when we discover a subtle idea or vague image what brahman is in the mind.<br />Because we have the choice to give that no importance it would do no harm. That would be certainly the least of my worries as well.<br />Your statement "one minute of Self-Inquiry is better than to study any book by Bhagavan or anybody else. In fact, besides Self-Inquiry and surrender, nothing else is needed [for Self-realization] but the grace of the Guru." again shows a nice example for a concept, an idea or imagination of the mind. Does not such an argumentation turn round in a circle ?<br />Besides, brahman is just an other word for the guru's grace. So brahman itself will lead us/our ego sooner or later back to itself i.e. ourself by dissolving us in the storching fire-heat of jnana.<br />There is not only no great damage if we are led by truth-indicating concepts. Some of us may take fresh heart from the well of pure waters of true concepts.<br />Remember the metaphor of the fire-stiring stick which is after use then thrown in the fire.<br /> Urubambanoreply@blogger.com