tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post3095859167825171598..comments2023-10-16T13:06:42.360+01:00Comments on Happiness of Being: The Teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi: Are there three states, two states or only one state?Michael Jameshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03460943269122289281noreply@blogger.comBlogger71125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-18461266936837379342019-12-12T14:42:24.600+00:002019-12-12T14:42:24.600+00:00Asun, wait a minute! You started your comment with...Asun, wait a minute! You started your comment with "Salazar" so it's fair to assume that the entire comment was directed at me. Now you blame me to be falsely responding.<br /><br />Are you out of your mind?<br /><br />Instead to keep blaming others, why do you look first at your own poor communication skills? For somebody who claims to be interested only in Bhagavan's teachings you stick your nose in many unrelated issues.<br /><br />Who cares about what transpires on Facebook? <br /><br />'He has sent me a friend request .... He has unfriended me .... People don't like me ....'<br /><br />I do not have a Facebook account and the last time I even looked at a Facebook page was more than a year ago.<br /><br />You said "nothing personal". LMAO But that is your whole game! If you'd be impersonal then you had to left out about 80% of all of your comments on this blog. <br /><br />Are you so blind to not see how many people you quarreled with on this blog?Purification of mind does NOT reflect on one’s outward behavior, a purified mind is no mind and any perceived behavior is illusionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03403745904820287115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-4421015496422180942019-12-12T13:41:07.387+00:002019-12-12T13:41:07.387+00:00This comment has been removed by the author..https://www.blogger.com/profile/12379570382779918899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-41453384093363881772019-12-12T12:58:06.865+00:002019-12-12T12:58:06.865+00:00This comment has been removed by the author..https://www.blogger.com/profile/12379570382779918899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-48812119991886919962019-12-12T11:39:40.840+00:002019-12-12T11:39:40.840+00:00Asun Aparicio, you're confused. Leon Nomind is...Asun Aparicio, you're confused. Leon Nomind is not me, although he is part of Yo Soy Tu Mismo team and I don't know Salazar at all. And of course I understand that you are not interested because having Michael is more than enough. Yo Soy Tu Mismohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09470280747360615744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-52372778930176647962019-12-12T07:40:38.977+00:002019-12-12T07:40:38.977+00:00This comment has been removed by the author..https://www.blogger.com/profile/12379570382779918899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-54151652982601867132019-12-11T19:55:18.806+00:002019-12-11T19:55:18.806+00:00Asun, what are you talking about? Spanish group, h...Asun, what are you talking about? Spanish group, huh? Who is overreacting to your comments?<br /><br />Do you mean me? Why not just saying that straight out?<br /><br />I believe it is the other way around, your hostility to the persona "Salazar" came out in many personal comments at me and my responses were simply pointing out your projections and contradictions.<br /><br />Contrary to you I never attacked you personally nor do I hint that you may post under different "nicks". <br /><br />I have never addressed you with a different moniker but only with "Salazar". I do not know what you are being imagining.<br /><br />And, your only concern is not only Bhagavan's teachings, that is quite apparent by your comments. I.e. what has the Robert Adams/David Godman situation to do with Bhagavan's teaching? Nothing!<br /><br />If somebody is overreacting, especially when it comes down to "women", than it is you.<br /><br />Shanti, shanti, shanti.. .https://www.blogger.com/profile/03243347924405863536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-33687145024660962062019-12-11T19:16:28.021+00:002019-12-11T19:16:28.021+00:00This comment has been removed by the author..https://www.blogger.com/profile/12379570382779918899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-72026202886323430222019-12-11T15:36:26.072+00:002019-12-11T15:36:26.072+00:00Asun, you'd not have made a comment like that ...Asun, you'd not have made a comment like that if you do not want an argument. Otherwise that comment has no point.<br /><br />It seems that your "point of understanding" of Bhagavan's teaching which in your practice is "enjoyably and pleasant" though can be quickly disturbed by the ego's demand of the proper acknowledgment of a certain sex.<br /><br />We are burdened with the attachment to the body, do we have to add the confusion of a particular gender identification into the mix which comes with a boat load full of conceptual garbage about the "role" of males and females? <br /><br />Bhagavan teaches we are self, not male or female. Surrender is without any identification to a certain gender.<br /><br />Or maybe I am just joking too :-)<br />. .https://www.blogger.com/profile/03243347924405863536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-5653382477859556662019-12-10T23:28:19.562+00:002019-12-10T23:28:19.562+00:00This comment has been removed by the author..https://www.blogger.com/profile/12379570382779918899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-31532961889901758872019-12-10T21:22:21.456+00:002019-12-10T21:22:21.456+00:00"Yes. Full surrender is impossible at first. ..."Yes. Full surrender is impossible at first. Partial surrender is certainly possible for everyone. In the course of time, that will lead to complete surrender."<br /><br />Talks 244<br /><br />Then the Partial Delivery, do you think it only has to do with the fact of turning inward in the attention to the Self in less than 180 degrees or that it may also have to do with the fact of rendering (still only partially) the various likes and dislikes that make up the character we think we are? Or Both? What is your point of view Michael and brothers?Yo Soy Tu Mismohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09470280747360615744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-75016628923214517842019-12-10T20:27:24.261+00:002019-12-10T20:27:24.261+00:00This comment has been removed by the author..https://www.blogger.com/profile/12379570382779918899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-69032916779787347652019-12-10T19:33:49.584+00:002019-12-10T19:33:49.584+00:00Yo Soy, amen my friend, amen.Yo Soy, amen my friend, amen.. .https://www.blogger.com/profile/03243347924405863536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-87219077012498321222019-12-10T18:30:44.049+00:002019-12-10T18:30:44.049+00:00Salazar, To the extent that there is a real willin...Salazar, To the extent that there is a real willingness to surrender (to stop wanting to affirm ourselves as this body-mind-adjuntos) is the Grace that finally propitiates the change of perspective with or from the ego (in its crude aspect) but, curiously, it is necessary that the character (what we believe to be) while living the illusion of believing that he has some choice, decide (only apparently) to stop supporting or reaffirming what gives us entity as a person.<br /><br />And yes, surrender cannot be operated by a thought that is only an object (the I-thought) but is Grace although it requires our true willingness to let go of the error of perception aligned with the false (like, in another order of things, neither God nor the Guru can grant moksha without us having earned it thanks to a deliberate effort). Yo Soy Tu Mismohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09470280747360615744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-77798683490636722772019-12-10T17:19:38.992+00:002019-12-10T17:19:38.992+00:00Yo Soy, I concur with that particular way of phras...Yo Soy, I concur with that particular way of phrasing. <br /><br />Surrender is a mysterious process and from my experience it requires an enormous amount of faith (or trust) in Bhagavan. And that cannot really deliberately be done, the more one may try to surrender the less surrendering happens since the surrender'er is not surrendering while "trying to surrender". . .https://www.blogger.com/profile/03243347924405863536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-20103991198752559882019-12-10T16:25:51.205+00:002019-12-10T16:25:51.205+00:00Salazar, Bhagavan always addressed his interlocuto...Salazar, Bhagavan always addressed his interlocutors at the level of understanding by which they could come to understand him. Ego correction from one's own ego is effected from the Chit aspect or "I am consciousness" as long as we are really willing to surrender to Bhagavan what we are not (any expression at the thought level of our vasanas) and align ourselves with the Chit Consciousness. This occurs insofar as we do not reaffirm the Concept of I-thought.<br />Yo Soy Tu Mismohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09470280747360615744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-45649033360868764122019-12-08T22:14:23.898+00:002019-12-08T22:14:23.898+00:00Salazar,
thanks for your good wishes. The same to ...Salazar,<br />thanks for your good wishes. The same to you.<br />I am sorry that in our exchanges currently I cannot offer an adequate comprehension. It should become better.anadi-anantahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08815024045988099944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-25156774355880721292019-12-08T15:55:13.641+00:002019-12-08T15:55:13.641+00:00Yo Soy, I do not believe that this is Bhagavan'...Yo Soy, I do not believe that this is Bhagavan's teachings, "to stick with the current evidence what is the belief to be an ego" and then trying to correct that. You'll find nowhere in any text of his (or by Muruganar) that he said that you have to correct the ego. The ego cannot be corrected. One can only be self. And that "one" is not ego too.<br /><br />That idea of yours is not really grasping the full implications of the subject-object relationship of Bhagavan's pointers. Because of its paradoxical nature since it denotes something beyond duality.<br /><br />However, you are welcome to believe that.<br /><br />My very best to you.Purification of mind does NOT reflect on one’s outward behavior, a purified mind is no mind and any perceived behavior is illusionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03403745904820287115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-24794881349955341132019-12-08T15:34:21.153+00:002019-12-08T15:34:21.153+00:00anadi-ananta, to 'BE' IS atma-vichara. To ...anadi-ananta, to 'BE' IS atma-vichara. To want happiness IS ego. Is that so hard to understand?<br /><br />Anyway, it seems our exchanges become repetitive looking at your last comment whose argument I already answered in a different thread. Since you keep coming up with that you are either rather attached to that belief or, with all due respect, you do not comprehend what I am trying to say.<br /><br />My best to you.Purification of mind does NOT reflect on one’s outward behavior, a purified mind is no mind and any perceived behavior is illusionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03403745904820287115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-66198393268598108442019-12-08T00:07:08.593+00:002019-12-08T00:07:08.593+00:00Does hearing "You are the spiritual Self. Be ...Does hearing "You are the spiritual Self. Be that." as a constant background music actually produce salvation ?anadi-anantahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08815024045988099944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-87063124308041709572019-12-07T23:55:07.496+00:002019-12-07T23:55:07.496+00:00Salazar,
"Instead to BE [happy] it looks for ...Salazar,<br />"Instead to BE [happy] it looks for and demands happiness. That has the opposite effect."<br />One can start only from that place on which one is. If one feels to be unhappy one cannot start from happiness even when it is said that one's real nature is already happiness. "Especially in the beginning" one cannot be happy simply on someone's order. As you imply one cannot abstain from steady atma-vichara. Nonetheless thank you for your comment.anadi-anantahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08815024045988099944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-80605107952842385262019-12-07T22:22:15.198+00:002019-12-07T22:22:15.198+00:00Salazar in replay to you at 7 December 2019 15:41
...Salazar in replay to you at 7 December 2019 15:41<br /><br />The point is, if we don't stick to the evidence of current experience as long as we still perceive separation (if you still perceive yourself as a separate entity, how a body, etc...) to deny that is a pirouette of the ego subtilizing itself as a spiritual ego.<br />The correction of perception is from level to level (non-existent levels from the perspective of the most apparently real ajata vada from the vivarta vada);<br />It is very easy to fall into the spiritual by pass for not being able to recognize the level of perception that, by the facts still reigns.<br /><br />The ego unfolds itself in millions of faces and all with the purpose of making you believe that it is you.<br /><br />Yo Soy Tu Mismohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09470280747360615744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-42549978305528707932019-12-07T20:09:47.444+00:002019-12-07T20:09:47.444+00:00Let me add a quote by Bhagavan, taken from 'Co...Let me add a quote by Bhagavan, taken from 'Conscious Immortality':<br /><br />"[...] There is no time sequence in true spiritual development. You are spiritual here and now. Do not entrap yourself into mental cages of planes, degrees of growth, states of being etc. Do not hug these false limitations. You are the spiritual Self. Be that."<br /><br />In the spirit of Bhagavan, let's not hug the false limitation of a "purification" what implies a time sequence and just let us BE.Purification of mind does NOT reflect on one’s outward behavior, a purified mind is no mind and any perceived behavior is illusionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03403745904820287115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-56431294503275216102019-12-07T15:41:13.069+00:002019-12-07T15:41:13.069+00:00Yo Soy Tu Mismo, there are no aspects of the ego, ...Yo Soy Tu Mismo, there are no aspects of the ego, it is an incomplete attempt to explain the workings of a figment of imagination [=ego]. Like the karma theory or "free will" and "destiny". All that seemingly works only in duality, something we want to transcend not to dwell on.<br /><br />One can try to draw meaning from that what is, for me, like trying to get meaning from a Fata Morgana. What really use has that? <br /><br />So, I know you are repeating Michael's interpretation or better, preference, but I cannot share that preference.<br /><br />Now, Yo Soy Tu Mismo, what you need to understand is, what you've said in your last comment is not the truth, it is a "watering down" of the truth. Sages like Bhagavan talked only about that to satisfy the urge of certain individuals who insisted to have that IMAGINARY stuff explained. <br /><br />It seems only real as long as you believe in it. Because it is a concept within duality, manonasa is beyond duality and therefore terms like "purification" and "channel of grace" are ultimately obstacles since they work only in duality and keep one stuck there. <br /><br />Again it is a preference, certainly not the truth and certainly not my preference. Purification of mind does NOT reflect on one’s outward behavior, a purified mind is no mind and any perceived behavior is illusionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03403745904820287115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-60345206967598872512019-12-07T15:24:03.506+00:002019-12-07T15:24:03.506+00:00anadi-ananta, you said, "It is fine if it is ...anadi-ananta, you said, "It is fine if it is so."<br /><br />That's the problem. The ego usually does not accept the utter simplicity of it. It refuses to accept it mainly because it makes the ego irrelevant what the ego doesn't like. It wants to be the "spiritual warrior" who for aeons will fight the darkness to finally arrive at eternal bliss :-)<br /><br />The ego also doubts that simplicity because it tells himself, "Hm, where is my happiness and bliss? That can't be it." Well, that underlying belief (what will only vanish after steady atma-vichara) is the very reason why there is no happiness. Instead to BE [happy] it looks for and demands happiness. That has the opposite effect.<br /><br />Most, especially in the beginning, overlook all of these subtle thoughts which sabotage that happiness. It takes time to notice this self-sabotaging habit, it is mostly unnoticed in the beginning. Purification of mind does NOT reflect on one’s outward behavior, a purified mind is no mind and any perceived behavior is illusionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03403745904820287115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-63787973837100537762019-12-07T15:04:34.878+00:002019-12-07T15:04:34.878+00:00I've answered higher in response to Salazar. T...I've answered higher in response to Salazar. The ego is pure fragmentation and in its dissociation there are aspects that serve for its reaffirmation and other aspects that, having been purified, serve as a channel for Grace to filter, at the level through which the message can be grasped, for the progression of its Purification.Yo Soy Tu Mismohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09470280747360615744noreply@blogger.com