tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post9168541296813986318..comments2023-10-16T13:06:42.360+01:00Comments on Happiness of Being: The Teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi: Are we in this world, or is this world in us?Michael Jameshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03460943269122289281noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-4362478610076591752019-10-28T06:20:02.329+00:002019-10-28T06:20:02.329+00:00Thank you, Michael, for your reply of 24 October 2...Thank you, Michael, for your reply of 24 October 2019 at 09:06. <br /><br />Yes anadi-ananta, Michael's reply has made my question obsolete. <br />Michael says "being and consciousness are not just ‘two aspects of the same thing’, they are the same thing.". I think two important points Michael is making here. Firstly, that being and consciousness are not different. Secondly, being and consciousness are not merely aspects or attributes of some other thing, but the 'thing' itself.<br />Rajathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10446174099698255476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-60324975376537657642019-10-24T11:35:01.188+01:002019-10-24T11:35:01.188+01:00If is said that our sleep of self-forgetfulness is...If is said that our sleep of self-forgetfulness is imaginary it should be easy to simply remember our real state of infinite awareness. Why in the view of our mind seems that to be so difficult ?anadi-anantahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08815024045988099944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-42901930738050397862019-10-24T11:02:08.945+01:002019-10-24T11:02:08.945+01:00Rajat,
your question "Although being and cons...Rajat,<br />your question "Although being and consciousness are two aspects of the same thing, is being in some sense more 'important' than consciousness?" is now obsolete by Michael's reply to you. anadi-anantahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08815024045988099944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-16135785979451274172019-10-24T10:43:45.711+01:002019-10-24T10:43:45.711+01:00Michael,
"...but so long as we are aware of a...Michael,<br />"...but so long as we are aware of anything other than ourself we seem to be ego, whose nature is not just being but rising and doing. Therefore in order to just be we must just be aware of ourself and nothing else whatsoever."<br /><br />When we see Bhagavan Ramana reading the newspaper for instance on photographs, can we then correctly assume that Ramana in the then moment of looking in a newspaper was rising as ego ?anadi-anantahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08815024045988099944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-69816324178500180812019-10-24T09:06:48.811+01:002019-10-24T09:06:48.811+01:00Rajat, being and consciousness are not just ‘two a...Rajat, being and consciousness are not just ‘two aspects of the same thing’, they are the same thing. Being is consciousness and consciousness is being, so neither is more important than the other, because among them there is no other. As Bhagavan says in <a href="https://happinessofbeing.blogspot.com/2017/09/upadesa-undiyar-tamil-text.html#uu23" rel="nofollow">verse 23</a> of <i>Upadēśa Undiyār</i>:<br /><br />உள்ள துணர வுணர்வுவே றின்மையி<br />னுள்ள துணர்வாகு முந்தீபற<br /> வுணர்வேநா மாயுள முந்தீபற.<br /><br /><i>uḷḷa duṇara vuṇarvuvē ṟiṉmaiyi <br />ṉuḷḷa duṇarvāhu mundīpaṟa<br /> vuṇarvēnā māyuḷa mundīpaṟa</i>.<br /><br /><b>பதச்சேதம்:</b> உள்ளது உணர உணர்வு வேறு இன்மையின், உள்ளது உணர்வு ஆகும். உணர்வே நாமாய் உளம்.<br /><br /><b><i>Padacchēdam</i></b> (word-separation): <i>uḷḷadu uṇara uṇarvu vēṟu iṉmaiyiṉ, uḷḷadu uṇarvu āhum. uṇarvē nām-āy uḷam</i>.<br /><br /><b>English translation:</b> Because of the non-existence of [any] awareness other [than what exists] to be aware of what exists, what exists (<i>uḷḷadu</i>) is awareness (<i>uṇarvu</i>). Awareness alone exists as we.<br /><br />We are both what is (being or existence) and what is aware (awareness or consciousness), because awareness is our very being.<br /><br />Regarding <a href="#c2109528084332751175" rel="nofollow">your earlier question</a>, there was no special reason for that. As you say, we could interpret ‘the art of being’ to be a matter of consciousness, because we always exist and are aware of our existence, but so long as we are aware of anything other than ourself we seem to be ego, whose nature is not just being but rising and doing. Therefore in order to just be we must just be aware of ourself and nothing else whatsoever.<br /><br />In order to be aware of nothing other than ourself, we need to attend to ourself so keenly that we thereby cease to be aware of anything else. This is the path of self-investigation (<i>ātma-vicāra</i>) that Bhagavan taught us, and it alone is the art of being.Michael Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03460943269122289281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-56543741074407702182019-10-23T22:01:52.961+01:002019-10-23T22:01:52.961+01:00anadi-ananta,
Although being and consciousness are...anadi-ananta,<br />Although being and consciousness are two aspects of the same thing, is being in some sense more 'important' than consciousness?<br />Even in Uḷḷadu Narpadu Bhagavan writes, "If uḷḷadu [what is or what exists] were not, would uḷḷa-v-uṇarvu [existing awareness, actual awareness or awareness of what is] exist?". Here Bhagavan is saying that without being, there can be no consciousness, but he doesn't say that apart from consciousness there is no being.<br /><br />Rajathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10446174099698255476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-80573881397656242912019-10-22T21:52:17.181+01:002019-10-22T21:52:17.181+01:00Rajat,
being is not possible without consciousness...Rajat,<br />being is not possible without consciousness.<br />Oddly enough, in my dreams I never see my body visually but feel me purely instinctive as body. anadi-anantahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08815024045988099944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-21095280843327511752019-10-22T19:19:51.454+01:002019-10-22T19:19:51.454+01:00Michael,
The title of your book contains two aspec...Michael,<br />The title of your book contains two aspects of our real nature - happiness and being, but not consciousness. Any special reason behind this? Or does the 'art of being' refer to consciousness?<br /><br />Also, why is it that we always first project ourselves as a body in any dream we project? Why is it that we never project a dream without projecting ourself as a body in it? Thanks.Rajathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10446174099698255476noreply@blogger.com