tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post440404456575752557..comments2023-10-16T13:06:42.360+01:00Comments on Happiness of Being: The Teachings of Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi: The jñāni is only pure awareness (prajñāna) and not whatever person it may seem to beMichael Jameshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03460943269122289281noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-38322864541969435422017-11-01T18:25:33.634+00:002017-11-01T18:25:33.634+00:00A sadhu is usually not a Jnani but a seeker. Most ...A sadhu is usually not a Jnani but a seeker. Most sadhus are not Jnanis, however a sadhu can become a Jnani but then that term could be dropped to distinguish between a mere devotee and a Jnani, Sadhu Om didn't what is fine. Calling someone a sadhu does not imply any spiritual attainment per se.. .https://www.blogger.com/profile/03243347924405863536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-25777827685646742062017-11-01T17:58:38.664+00:002017-11-01T17:58:38.664+00:00Sanjay
I understand the part about not being a sl...Sanjay<br /><br />I understand the part about not being a slave to anyone but more to the point about the use of the word 'sadhu'. <br />All the people who were with Bhagavan over the years during his life, many of them were known as 'sadhus'. <br />example; major chadwick would be called a sadhu, does this imply he is/was a janai?<br /><br />The use of the word probably depends on the context<br /><br />It's nothing to be concerned about, just trying to figure out who or what a sadhu is.<br />when i see the word used for janai's as well as those who are not janai's it confused me. <br />Who is confused, just this stupid ego. <br /><br />no need to reply, I'm going to drop the subject and carry on. <br /><br />thanks for your timegargoylenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-23860858536006783292017-11-01T16:29:58.834+00:002017-11-01T16:29:58.834+00:00Gargoyle, when Sadhu Om says that we should approa...Gargoyle, when Sadhu Om says that we should approach ‘self-realised’ <i>sadhus</i> and remain with them as their devoted slave, he is using the term ‘devoted slave’ as a metaphor. Obviously, he is not indicating that we should become like their domestic servants, and obey all their menial commands. <br /><br />We should become ‘slaves’ to their teachings – that is, we should try and walk the path shown by them, by following their teachings as religiously and faithfully as possible. In this context, we can refer to paragraph 12 of <i>Nan Yar?</i>, where Bhagavan says:<br /><br />God and <i>guru</i> are in truth not different. Just as what has been caught in the jaws of a tiger will not return, so those who have been caught in the glance of <i>guru’s</i> grace will surely be saved by him and will never instead be forsaken; nevertheless, it is necessary to walk unfailingly along the path that <i>guru</i> has shown.<br /><br />Therefore, if we are willing ‘to walk unfailingly along the path that guru has shown’, we become ‘devoted slaves’ to that <i>guru</i>, and we need not be in <i>guru’s</i> physical presence to become his ‘devoted slave’.<br /> <br />Of course, if we are in the physical presence of our <i>sadguru</i>, we should also try to serve him/her physically in whatever way we can, but this is not what Sadhu Om is trying to teach us through verse 51 of <i>Sadhanai Saram</i>. <br /><br /> <br /><br /> <br /><br />Sanjay Lohiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02384912997886218824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-53916578620435552892017-11-01T14:44:08.615+00:002017-11-01T14:44:08.615+00:00Greetings to all from Maryland USA
Michael, and o...Greetings to all from Maryland USA<br /><br />Michael, and others<br /><br />In Sadhanai Saram, The Essence of Spiritual Practice some of the verses have me confused.<br /><br />verse 51: page 19…..Moreover, since those great aspirants (Sadhus) who have realized Self, the reality, cannot be other than Self, they too are the reality itself. Therefore, approach such Self-realized Ones (Sadhus) and remain with them as their devoted slave.<br /><br />verse 56: page 20…..Note: Compare verse 2 of Supplement to Reality in Forty Verses, in which Sri Bhagavan says, “that supreme state (of liberation) that is praised (by all the scriptures) and that is attained here (in this very life) by the clear Inquiry (vichara) that arises in the heart when one gains association with a sage (Sadhu), is impossible to attain by (listening to) preachers, by (studying and learning) the meaning of the scriptures, by (doing) virtuous deeds or by any other means”.<br /><br />I tried to underline and/or bold some text in question but can't figure out how to do such.<br /><br />Of question is Sadhu's referred to as sages and Self-realized Ones (Sadhus) and remain with them as their devoted slave<br /><br />Of course I am often confused, and just as ignorant (ignorant times 100 is more accurate).<br />Who is confused, who is ignorant? That darn ego is, but not to worry. <br /><br />I generally ignore anything I read that conflicts with Bhagavan’s teachings but these verses have me stumped and I would appreciate some clarification. <br /><br />I apologize in advance for taking up your time on something I should ignore anyway.<br /><br />Of course, anyone on this blog is free to help me understand these verses.<br /><br />Best Regards to One and All<br />gargoylenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-41545751518191402412017-01-09T23:13:06.327+00:002017-01-09T23:13:06.327+00:00D Samarender Reddy,
you never spoke a truer word; ...D Samarender Reddy,<br />you never spoke a truer word; without awareness we cannot even recognize the absence of any thing.turiya avasthanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-3655798360606900492017-01-09T22:54:22.905+00:002017-01-09T22:54:22.905+00:00Foolish Tenth Man,
the refined version sounds bett...Foolish Tenth Man,<br />the refined version sounds better as the former remark. But you express only what seems to happen in the view of this ignorant ego. Actually thank Heavensthe ego cannot at all appropriate our pure self-awareness. nirvisesanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-16923621195573988732017-01-09T03:45:05.256+00:002017-01-09T03:45:05.256+00:00I wish to refine and clarify a part of my previous...I wish to refine and clarify a part of my previous <a href="http://happinessofbeing.blogspot.com/2016/12/the-jnani-is-only-pure-awareness.html?showComment=1483850595009#c2928897580225004365" rel="nofollow">comment</a>.<br /><br />I wrote: <i>The ego, whose very nature is to be self-ignorant and to consequently appropriate as itself what is other than itself, has appropriated self-awareness and conflated it with awareness of otherness (forms or phenomena).</i><br /><br />Here, the self-awareness which the ego has appropriated is actually the essential nature of the ego. Thus to be precise, it is only forms and phenomena that the ego appropriates as itself and conflates with self-awareness. Foolish Tenth Mannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-51813824008488352112017-01-08T22:54:07.042+00:002017-01-08T22:54:07.042+00:00Foolish 10th Man,
I will now and in the next days ...Foolish 10th Man,<br />I will now and in the next days begin to study all 63 posts(articles) with label "sleep" and if necessary all the 127 sites where "asleep" is found on this entire blog happinessofbeing.blogspot.com. Then I will ask some more questions if required. By for now.<br />nirvisesanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-36934657663604613342017-01-08T19:28:00.414+00:002017-01-08T19:28:00.414+00:00Foolish 10th Man,
thank you for your comment.
You ...Foolish 10th Man,<br />thank you for your comment.<br />You reach a conclusion saying that a sleeper does not really exist. To what you describe as the ego's nature and actions("appropriation and conflation") I have to say in reply that the ego too does not really exist. But that leads to nothing because now in (my) waking I don't have no other skill than the ego. If I were actually a jnani I would not need any teaching at all.<br />Of course it is an absolute disgrace to be not a jnani but only "the ego during waking or dream".<br />But even if I would stand on my head I could not eliminate the innate ignorance. <br />Therefore the ego wants to understand also the mystery of sleep. If there is no sleep at all then consequently exists no sleeper. On the level/ in the view of the ego there seems to exist also sleep. <br />But possibly what you wrote is just an other "idea of the ego during waking or dream" or is quite correct.<br />However that may be, kind regards.nirvisesanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-29288975802250043652017-01-08T04:43:15.009+00:002017-01-08T04:43:15.009+00:00nirvesesa
A 'sleeper' exists only as an i...nirvesesa<br /><br />A 'sleeper' exists only as an idea of the ego during waking or dream, in order to account for the continuance of self-awareness that exists in sleep. The ego, whose very nature is to be self-ignorant and to consequently appropriate as itself what is other than itself, has appropriated self-awareness and conflated it with awareness of otherness (forms or phenomena). Thus, it clings to the idea that in sleep (when awareness of otherness did not exist), it did exist in some form as the sleeper, thereby continuing to conflate self-awareness with forms and phenomena.<br /><br />The ego can never truly know what it now calls 'sleep', but can only merge into it completely. And if we so do, then according to Bhagavan, what will remain will be beginingless endless unbroken existence consciousness bliss.Foolish Tenth Mannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-74998503284876399762017-01-07T23:45:40.057+00:002017-01-07T23:45:40.057+00:00Michael,
many thanks for your further elucidation ...Michael,<br />many thanks for your further elucidation of the term 'sleep'. <br />But I cannot refrain from my wish to understand the matter in greater detail and asking : If neither the ego nor pure self-awareness is the experiencer of sleep, who or what then is experiencing sleep or in other words: Who is the sleeper then ? <br />Or can nothing at all be called a sleeper ?nirvisesanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-56160444087561026432017-01-05T01:53:36.375+00:002017-01-05T01:53:36.375+00:00Regarding Ken's note on practices:
Finally so...Regarding Ken's note on practices:<br /><br />Finally something that Ken wrote, that I can read, not ignore and also find helpful :-) Just kidding! Very well written and down to earth.<br /><br />One other thing I would add, is daily contemplation of physical death. This is also helpful both for spiritual and worldy pursuits. In the worldly realm, being cognizant of physical death, will help in better prioritizing activities, better planning and not worry much of failures or get overboard on success. In the spiritual pursuit realm, it will hone in the fact that precious time is passing away pretty fast and slacking in Sadhana will result in facing death with an empty hand to show for.<br />In the Buddhist tradition, there is a nine-point contemplation of physical death that can be useful.<br /><br />Another thing is renunciation of all unnecessary things. Ken touched upon this in "removing from your life those activities which are low priority". Each one of us has to decide for ourselves what is necessary and unnecessary. Contemplation of physical death will greatly help in renunciation of unnecessary things. Let us say, by waving a magic wand, we come to know that we have only one week left on earth. All unnecessary things will drop in a split second. We will be at least very sincerely "trying really hard" to do what we think are the best things in those 7 days. <br /><br />Finally for those who are on the Bhakthi path and have unwavering devotion to God/Ishvara, reciting his mantra mentally or verbally (OM Namah Sivaya, Arunachala Siva, OM Namo Narayana, Ram Ram etc) and thinking of the holy form of SivaLinga, Nataraja, Arunachala, Bhagavan or any other Guru is very helpful to tame the mind. If you know Tamil and know the Saivite scriptures then singing Thevaram, Thiruvasagam, Thirupugazh, Kandar Anuboothi, Aksharamanamalai etc keeps the mind in Sattva.Sivanarulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-35216006481996850062017-01-04T06:15:26.589+00:002017-01-04T06:15:26.589+00:00Oh - and one helpful aspect of these practices is ...Oh - and one helpful aspect of these practices is that a little will work somewhat and more will work better - so you don't have to master anything to get a benefit.Kenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08444422146838072196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-63777977256539542082017-01-04T01:40:35.434+00:002017-01-04T01:40:35.434+00:00A short post of mine that I thought might be helpf...A short post of mine that I thought might be helpful to readers of this blog. It is just my opinion (and much or all of it may be obvious to many readers):<br /><br />The following practices are helpful both for spiritual practice AND worldly life:<br /><br />* Simplification<br /><br />This means removing from your life those activities which are low priority.<br /><br />For worldly life, it will give you more time and energy for your higher priority activities. <br /><br />And not only will it give you more time and energy for your spiritual practice as well, but it also lessens the number of distracting thoughts (because those thoughts usually are concerned with recent subjects of attention).<br /><br />* Gently reduce the number of thoughts that are not absolutely necessary.<br /><br />The first suggestion above is about removing entire aspects of your life (such as a pointless hobby), this is about noticing thoughts and gently allowing them to drop away. (If you do not know how to do this, there are lots of web sites about it.)<br /><br />When your mind is not involved with thoughts, you can perform better at whatever you are doing right now, whether spiritual or worldly.<br /><br />* Being present here and now.<br /><br />This is often cited as an important aspect of spirituality, but it is also helpful in worldly life. If you are working, then you do a better job if focused on the task, rather than on the coming weekend or what happened yesterday. If you are not working, it allows you to more fully enjoy what you are doing, whether eating a meal or watching a movie.<br /><br />Michael has described an aspect of the Self as "the presentness of the present moment", so when we are "present", we are closer to being aware of the Self.<br /><br />* Positive thinking<br /><br />In a worldly sense, this means not worrying - which is an activity that has no benefit (because the future worrisome event is not yet here) and is thus a waste of our time and energy. Also, being positive is more attractive to others, so both social and work activities go better as well.<br /><br />In a spiritual sense, Ramana Maharshi has said "The subconscious of man is a warehouse of good and bad karma. Iswara chooses from this warehouse what he sees will best suit the spiritual evolution at the time of each man, whether pleasant or painful." Therefore, the circumstances of your life are chosen to lead to your spiritual success. <br /><br />Ramana Maharshi also said: "You are the Self; you are already That." and "Realization is for everyone; Realization makes no difference between the aspirants." and "This very doubt, whether you can realise, and the notion ‘I-have-not-realised’ are themselves the obstacles." So, being positive is also a great help in spiritual practice as well.<br />Kenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08444422146838072196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-25532552750309518532017-01-02T23:29:14.654+00:002017-01-02T23:29:14.654+00:00yes Ken, it's an hour and a half a day for I t...yes Ken, it's an hour and a half a day for I think six or seven days.<br />It is already I believe three years that Mr Nochur has been doing this usually at the beginning of the year for seven or so days.<br />If you live in Tiru, is a talk in the morning with big attendance of visitors from all venues (even locals) to the ashram.<br />He is about the 28th verse at the moment, in previous years he started at number one.<br />All is in YouTube.<br /><br />As you suggested, not for "fast lane" seekers.<br />For those, the first Mangalam of Ulladu Narpadu will do to self-realize, if understood correctly of course!<br />and for the Triple A personality ones that can't even hold their attention on the whole Mangalam without being bored, then the ultrafast "summa iru" while abiding in oneself will also do... ;-)<br /><br />happy new year my friend.Mounahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02416580298727681711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-36854650995267012012017-01-02T23:12:09.928+00:002017-01-02T23:12:09.928+00:00So you are suggesting what looks like 10 hours of ...So you are suggesting what looks like 10 hours of lectures ? (And it looks like just one of many 10 hour series.)<br /><br />Only a few posts up, one of the readers commented that my reply of only a few paragraphs was too long, and wanted it condensed into one sentence (let alone reading the excellent link I provided).Kenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08444422146838072196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-43628025792169810692017-01-02T18:08:08.788+00:002017-01-02T18:08:08.788+00:00Dear friends,
There is a wonderful new talk by No...Dear friends,<br /><br />There is a wonderful new talk by Nochur Sri Venkataranaman on Aksharamanamalai (continuation of his previous talks) where discussing its stanzas he develops various themes in Bhagavan's teachings (like the importance of understanding deep sleep, the word "I", etc...)<br />He has this ability to merge devotion and knowledge (although they are never separate!) in a very distinctive way.<br />Usually is a series that goes on for six or seven days, and there is the possibility of watching them live as streaming video from Ramanasramam website.<br />A gem.<br /><br />You may acces it by clicking <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SAiW7TNv5k" rel="nofollow">here</a>Mounahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02416580298727681711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-86275172286489870772017-01-02T09:48:23.739+00:002017-01-02T09:48:23.739+00:00Nirvisesa, in answer to your reply to my previous ...Nirvisesa, in answer to <a href="#c443800399784370382" rel="nofollow">your reply</a> to <a href="#c1041736087091858945" rel="nofollow">my previous comment</a>, the ego is what experiences waking and dream, but it does not experience sleep, because it has then subsided completely in its source, which is the pure self-awareness that we actually are and that shines alone in sleep. Therefore the ego is not the ‘sleeper’ in the sense of what experiences sleep, but it is the ‘sleeper’ in the sense that it is asleep to what is real, namely our self-awareness in its pure, adjunct-free condition.<br /><br />Just as pure self-awareness is eternally awake to itself but asleep to the illusory appearance of everything else, the ego is asleep to its own real nature (namely pure self-awareness) but awake to the illusory appearance of everything else. This is what is implied by <i>Bhagavad Gītā</i> 2.69, which means:<br /><br />‘What is night to all living beings [namely egos], to that the well restrained [namely the <i>jñāni</i>, who is nothing but pure self-awareness] is awake; what living beings are awake to, that is night for the <i>muni</i> who sees [what is real].’Michael Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03460943269122289281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-39434528330152802082017-01-02T07:19:15.421+00:002017-01-02T07:19:15.421+00:00Ramana Maharshi on Sravana, Manana and Nididhyasan...<b>Ramana Maharshi on Sravana, Manana and Nididhyasana</b><br /><br />(from www.arunachala.org/newsletters/2010/nov-dec - The Sri Ramana Gita of BV Narasimha Swami, Chapter XV)<br /><br />Kavyakantha: Pray Sir, what are Sravana, Manana and Nididhyasana?<br /><br />Maharshi: These terms have several meanings – each to some extent derived from or connected with the other.<br /><br />Take Sravana first: According to some, it is only the hearing of Scriptural texts (Veda vakya) with adequate explanation (Vyakhyana) from a Guru, which constitutes Sravana. But others disregard this and say even if what is taught is not the text from the Vedas or a comment thereon, but is couched in the vernacular, it is still Sravanam if (1) the Guru that imparts instruction is himself Self-realised, and (2) if his words throw light, i.e., teach Self-realisation.<br /><br />You may take it that (a) whether listening to the Guru's recital of scriptural texts or to the Guru's own words, or otherwise, by merit acquired in previous births, (b) or if the voice is heard within and an idea is formed in your mind that the underlying truth or root of the 'I-idea', or idea of personality, is not the body, then truly you have had Sravanam. Above all, note the fact that Sravanam is not the mere falling of sound on the ears. It involves paying attention to Atma Vichara, enquiry into the Self.<br /><br />Then let us take Manana:<br /><br />Some say Manana is Sastrartha Vichara, or enquiry into the import or effect of Sastras (scripture). Well, it is more correct to note what is essential and say that Manana is devoting the mind to Atma Vichara, i.e., enquiry into the Self.<br /><br />Finally let us consider what is Nididhyasana:<br /><br />Some say that a thorough knowledge of Brahman or Atman is Nididhyasana, provided only that that knowledge be free from doubt and not conflict with the Sastras.<br /><br />This definition, however, will fit in even for a bare intellectual grasp of the subject mentioned, even though it may be unattended by Realisation. Mere study of the unity of jiva and Iswara from the Sastras does not ensure Realisation, even if it be free from doubt or delusions such as 'I am the body and these phenomena are real, etc.' The mere study of hundreds of Sastras will not remove doubt and delusion. No doubt these Sastras, studied with faith, do remove such doubt and delusion, but such removal is not permanent, as faith often weakens and the man begins to waver. It is only Realisation that can ensure a rooting out, i.e., the permanent removal of these obstacles of doubt and delusion.<br /><br />When the mind or jiva goes through various outside experiences, even by exploring hundreds of Sastras, without realising and staying in the Atman, one does not obtain what is styled Aparoksha Jnana, i.e., Self-Illumination directly realised. If, however, one has obtained such Realisation, then one gets Sakshatkara, or immediate knowledge of the Self, and that is Moksha — that is the highest Nishta. D. Samarender Reddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18029954852517079748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-78445451470284664542017-01-02T01:18:00.282+00:002017-01-02T01:18:00.282+00:00Turiya Avastha,
What it is saying is that vyatire...Turiya Avastha,<br /><br />What it is saying is that vyatireka holds true because if consciousness is absent then the three states also cannot exist, so there is invariable co-absence.D. Samarender Reddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18029954852517079748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-3077183025491772572017-01-01T23:06:27.688+00:002017-01-01T23:06:27.688+00:00D Samarender Reddy,
regarding the given treatise o...D Samarender Reddy,<br />regarding the given treatise of D. Venugopal on The Invariable in all the Three States of Experience I cannot comprehend the penultimate sentence:<br />'So there is invariable co-absence of consciousness in all the three states.'<br />Was not said three lines above:"So, what is invariably present in all the three states is consciousness that witnesses all of them. (As for invariable co-absence)..., if consciousness were not there, the three different states cannot be there, as without consciousness nothing can be known to exist."<br />Is that not a total contradiction in terms ?<br />turiya avasthanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-34281089465755251262017-01-01T22:35:28.052+00:002017-01-01T22:35:28.052+00:00Ken,
thanks for your comment.
I would prefer a sim...Ken,<br />thanks for your comment.<br />I would prefer a simple answer to the question: If not the self is concerned with actions who then is the real actor of actions ?<br />By the way, on which continent do you live ?turiya avasthanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-25133235573870140972017-01-01T22:17:34.085+00:002017-01-01T22:17:34.085+00:00turiya avastha -
Ramana said: " There is onl...turiya avastha -<br /><br />Ramana said: " There is only one consciousness which, manifesting as ‘I’-thought, identifies itself with the body ".<br /><br />That mistaken identification with the body, the "I am the body" thought, is called the "ego".<br /><br />The one consciousness - called Brahman - is the same as Atman, in English "The Self".<br /><br />Suppose you are walking down the street, and suddenly, on the other side of the street, another man jumps out and attacks a woman and takes her money and runs off.<br /><br />If you said "Oh no, I just attacked that woman!" - that would be a mistaken thought. However, if you did not have that thought (as would be normal), the lack of the mistaken thought would not mean that the woman is not attacked - merely that you would not think that you had done it. The attack would go on, just as billions of things occur in the universe every day.<br /><br />In a similar way, Advaita Vedanta says that when your body-mind does something, "you" do not actually do anything, because you are actually The Self. Your body-mind does things regardless, just as the other seven billion people do things regardless of what we may think they should do.<br /><br />And, in fact, this is everyone's experience already. We never say "I think I will now pump some blood to my legs and arms" - instead, it happens regardless of whether or not we "decide" to do so.<br /><br />In the West, there is a phrase "act of God" that refers to an action that is not intended by a human being, for example, when a tornado destroys a house.<br /><br />My impression of Ramana's teachings on this subject is that all actions of one's body-mind are to be considered "acts of God".<br /><br />For a thorough discussion of the issues of identity, action, karma, choice and free will, see the following link to a page on David Godman's blog:<br /><br />http://sri-ramana-maharshi.blogspot.in/2008/04/god-scriptwriter.html<br />Kenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08444422146838072196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-2881023322812254112017-01-01T16:08:01.946+00:002017-01-01T16:08:01.946+00:00D Samarender Reddy,
thanks for your answer.
Bhaga...D Samarender Reddy,<br />thanks for your answer. <br />Bhagavan answered in context with the question : 'How will the actions go on if I do not act?' finally that...'it is plain that the Self is not concerned with actions and...'<br />However, your statement 'Regarding "who then is the real actor of actions", clearly it is the body-mind complex which is the actor' does not agree with what you quoted as replies of Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi for example:<br />1. 'The Gita starts by saying that you are not the body and that you are not therefore the karta [the doer].'<br />2. 'It means that one should act without thinking that oneself is the actor. Actions will go on even in the egoless state. Each person has come into manifestation for a certain purpose and that purpose will be accomplished whether he considers himself to be the actor or not.'<br />3. 'Karma yoga is that yoga in which the person does not arrogate to himself the function of being the actor. All actions go on automatically.'<br />4. 'The question arises only if there is the actor. It is said in all the scriptures that you should not consider yourself to be the actor.'<br />5. 'Question : So karma yoga is `kartritva buddhi rahita karma' - action without the sense of doership.<br />Ramana Maharshi : Yes. Quite so.'<br />6. 'Question : The Gita teaches that one should have an active life from beginning to end.<br />Ramana Maharshi :Yes, the actorless action.'<br /><br />turiya avasthanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7345918888953765241.post-4438003997843703822017-01-01T12:35:44.955+00:002017-01-01T12:35:44.955+00:00Michael,
thank you again for expounding the nature...Michael,<br />thank you again for expounding the nature of pure self-awareness (as being eternally awake to itself and simultaneously not awake('asleep') to the ego and its adjuncts). Mere in order to satisfy the categorizing mind, could we call the ego as sleeper ?<br />Yes, as you say we should not miss to investigate ourself keenly enough to see what we really are.nirvisesanoreply@blogger.com